So today in Transfiguration, Glozeman had us transfiguring other students into animals. Complete transformations, not just a beak here and some feathers or scales or claws there, y'know?
We hadn't done anything to prep for it at all. I mean, if you don't count turning porcupines into pincushions, which obviously doesn't begin to count.
It was just as horrible as you'd expect. And people got hurt. And he's probably going to make us do it again because he likes making us hurt each other. Right bastard, yeah?
Anywiz, two things. One is that I need to know what would happen if someone tried to transform me into something other than a snake. Could they do it? Could I hold the form if they managed it? Or would I just instinctively transform snakewise and give myself away? And is there any use trying to practise being transformed into, say, a horse to see if I can learn to hold that shape? Or would something really wonky happen?
Um. And the second thing is that somebody knew a spell none of us had ever heard of before. Seemed as if it was meant to turn an animagus back to his proper form. D'you know about that spell? It didn't do anything to the student who'd been transformed, so we don't know if it just wasn't cast right or if it didn't work because the student it was cast on isn't an animagus. Does it only work on animagi? Would it give me away if someone cast it on me? Or does it really work just fine on someone who's been spelled into a lizard and only failed because Corner couldn't cast it properly? I mean, with Corner, it could just be that.
We hadn't done anything to prep for it at all. I mean, if you don't count turning porcupines into pincushions, which obviously doesn't begin to count.
It was just as horrible as you'd expect. And people got hurt. And he's probably going to make us do it again because he likes making us hurt each other. Right bastard, yeah?
Anywiz, two things. One is that I need to know what would happen if someone tried to transform me into something other than a snake. Could they do it? Could I hold the form if they managed it? Or would I just instinctively transform snakewise and give myself away? And is there any use trying to practise being transformed into, say, a horse to see if I can learn to hold that shape? Or would something really wonky happen?
Um. And the second thing is that somebody knew a spell none of us had ever heard of before. Seemed as if it was meant to turn an animagus back to his proper form. D'you know about that spell? It didn't do anything to the student who'd been transformed, so we don't know if it just wasn't cast right or if it didn't work because the student it was cast on isn't an animagus. Does it only work on animagi? Would it give me away if someone cast it on me? Or does it really work just fine on someone who's been spelled into a lizard and only failed because Corner couldn't cast it properly? I mean, with Corner, it could just be that.
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Date: 2015-01-28 04:47 am (UTC)If someone tries to transform you into something other than a snake, they can probably do it, yeah. It stands to reason you'd instinctively transform to your own form, but you might be able to resist the instinct, at least for a while.
It's just a guess, though. I've never been transformed other than under my own power.
About that spell -- I hadn't thought about it in a while, but yeah, I've heard of it. Never that that cast on me, either. Could you test it out in private just to see what happens?
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Date: 2015-01-28 05:14 am (UTC)Sirius makes it sound like another form would be a trap. Not liking the sound of that.
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Date: 2015-01-28 04:54 am (UTC)To answer your other question ... I don't know for sure. You might be able to resist transfiguring yourself, actually, because a forced animal transfiguration isn't actually the same as an Animagus transformation at all, though they have some of the same roots. If a wizards changes you to an animal, as I understand it, you don't retain your own mind entirely, or at least, even less so than we do in our Animagus forms. I don't know how it is for you as a snake, but for me, I can sort of ... pick and choose which aspects of my dog form I want to focus on. I mean to say, certain things are sharper, anyway, and others are harder, but for the most part, if I really want to concentrate on thinking like a human, I can do it. If you're turned into an animal by someone else, though, that part of your brain doesn't often transfer with you. It's as if it gets shoved to one side and the animalistic brain takes over. Which is another reason it's so unnerving for so many people. So you might be able to assert yourself enough to change, or you might not. Then again, you might simply do it by sheer instinct. I suppose it would also depend on what sort of animal you got turned into, too. If you were a mongoose, you might like being that far less than you would, say, a lizard.
Speaking of the discomfort of it - I'm sorry you lot have to put up with that bastard.
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Date: 2015-01-28 05:02 am (UTC)Now I'm really curious.
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Date: 2015-01-28 05:13 am (UTC)If I turned Remus into a regular timber wolf at any time other than the full moon, he might have some advantages but on the whole, he'd be closer to any other wizard who got forcibly transformed into a wolf, as far as thinking wolf-thoughts. (Actually, Remus had a book on that, if you're interested. I'm sure he'd be willing to discuss it. There were some experiments in the late 1960's with - as far as we could tell - willing participants.)
Oh! Remus knows the spell, too. We taught it to him, just in case.
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Date: 2015-01-28 05:17 am (UTC)If anyone's actually tested that one, though, I haven't seen the book.
That's fascinating about werewolves. Was there some point to the research or was someone just curious and friends with enough werewolves to get some volunteers?
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Date: 2015-01-28 05:28 am (UTC)I do think it's likely that an Animagus could override a forced transformation to get into his or her own natural form. What I'm not sure about is whether that's easier or harder depending on how different the forced form is compared to the natural one.
Hm, it's an interesting thought, though. I mean to say, Ron's a snake. Would it be easier for him to transition from another animal into a snake if he'd been turned into, say, a newt. Or a fire crab? Or would it actually be harder because those forms are closer to how he expects to feel, compared to a horse or a thestral or an ocelot or a red-breasted robin?
Maybe this does bear a little experimentation.
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Date: 2015-01-28 05:32 am (UTC)I think we're rather less likely to have someone forcibly transform us than Ron is. It might not be a bad idea to give that return-to-human-form spell a test run, though.
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Date: 2015-01-28 05:17 am (UTC)Should I add him to the PM? (Not sure if that works, but I could try.)
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Date: 2015-01-28 05:11 am (UTC)So... if someone casts a transformation spell on me, I'd be trapped in whatever form?
Nice.
Expect I'll have nightmares about that, thanks.
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Date: 2015-01-28 05:13 am (UTC)If you run any experiments, be sure to give us a full report! You can think of it as your contribution to the body of knowledge about animagi. Which is a rather under-researched field, in fact, since animagi are rare, and also frequently secretive, no matter what the laws about it say.
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Date: 2015-01-28 05:16 am (UTC)Rachel's right, though: We have no idea. You might be trapped. You might default to your snake form. You might feel mild discomfort compared to your classmates. Honestly, could be anything.
I realise we're being extraordinarily helpful, here, sorry.
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Date: 2015-01-28 05:22 am (UTC)I mean, about why Corner would've known it.
About Dumbledore, well. Must not've thought it would be helpful to mention it. Probably didn't want me worrying about getting stuck until I'd done it successfully and then once I could do it, I didn't get stuck. Or, actually, I did rather get stuck the first time out, but that day was a bit chaotic, and no one had a chance to cast anything to help me, and eventually I got myself sorted.
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Date: 2015-01-28 05:24 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-01-28 05:34 am (UTC)And usedno subject
Date: 2015-01-28 05:30 am (UTC)In any case, if he's working on the spell, you've got a good reason to ask him about it. You'll get to the source faster than we could get it to you. Since I don't imagine you fancy wasting part of your next Hogsmeade trip meeting up?
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Date: 2015-01-28 05:34 am (UTC)He's a Ravenclaw.
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Date: 2015-01-28 05:35 am (UTC)But Sally Anne can ask him.
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Date: 2015-01-28 05:22 am (UTC)He was dreadful! I'm sorry. Really made me appreciate Acton.
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Date: 2015-01-28 05:37 am (UTC)So you know what a--
He's not quite like Carrow, either of them, but he's dangerous. Seriously dangerous.
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Date: 2015-01-28 05:41 am (UTC)He never told anyone else who I was. Just let me spend a lot of time thinking he was about to. Because that's the sort of thing he finds very, very amusing.
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Date: 2015-01-28 05:42 am (UTC)He hasn't changed much.
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Date: 2015-01-28 05:53 am (UTC)Or knew your other name?
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Date: 2015-01-28 05:55 am (UTC)He knew I was Rachel Brodie before I was Rachel Lamont. It's never exactly been a secret. But the other students didn't know.
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Date: 2015-01-28 06:00 am (UTC)I mean, your parents weren't traitors, were they? I heard something about that.
Sorry. You don't have to tell me. Anything, really. None of my business.
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Date: 2015-01-28 04:33 pm (UTC)I did rather want it kept secret. It wasn't that my parents were 'traitors' -- given when they died, they were holdouts from the old regime, but officially there's a classification for people who were misguided and thus tragic but unavoidable casualties rather than enemies of the state.
I mean, put the shoe on the other foot for a minute. Let's say we won the war next week. Obviously there are people in MLE who are criminals, who we'd put on trial or even execute, if we could catch them. But then you've got people like -- well, think of the people you've met at your internships who are hardworking and sensible and really in it to catch criminals. Some days they might be arresting people who haven't done anything wrong, but they're still in a very different category from Barty Crouch. We might not keep them in MLE (though, frankly, we'd have to; imagine trying to run MLE with just the Longbottoms and Kingsley and the two of us, we'd go spare in two days) but we wouldn't send them off to Azkaban, either.
When Voldemort's lackeys won the war, there were people who continued to oppose them, like the Longbottoms and Kingsley, but there were people who'd been opposing them who just immediately switched sides, like Scrimgeour. My father -- well, everyone who knew him was certain that if he'd survived, he'd have gone on the run with the Longbottoms and Kingsley and the rest. But just as we'd probably turn a blind eye to quite a bit from the lower level Enforcers, in the hopes of keeping some sort of order after the revolution, no one was inclined to dig too deeply into what my parents would have done. So officially, they were never traitors.
Still, 'officially not a traitor' and 'what my mates at school would have thought' were two different things. And I had a bit of an object lesson in what my life could be like, if people thought I came from a family of traitors, because of Tonks, and how she was treated. And I was a bit of a coward. Unlike Tonks. So I wanted everyone to think of me as Rachel Lamont. Rachel Brodie could stay buried with her parents.
MLE knows, obviously. If my parents had survived to go on the run, or if my father had refused to swear loyalty to the new regime and submit to legilimency and veritaserum and all the rest, it's very unlikely I'd have been allowed to join. As it was, the business with Clarkson probably nearly kept me out. It probably helped that the records were sketchy and the only one who really remembered what had happened that day was Dolohov, and he was out of the Protectorate at the time.
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Date: 2015-01-28 04:38 pm (UTC)